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DIY: 01-02 to 03-05 Gauge Cluster Swap

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#1 · (Edited)
Someone just made a thread on here about doing this and I didn't want to link them to CF...So I figured I'd transfer my DIY to here, along with posting of the pin diagrams.


First off, You will need to remove your gauge cluster. To do this, you have to remove the two screws located on the black plastic piece of trim around the cluster.

If this is your first time removing the cluster bezel, you will need to get a butterknife or something that's less likely to damage the plastic, and slide it along the bottom edge. It's glued on there. It will put up a little fight, but just take your time and you'll be okay.

Then to remove the actual cluster, take the 3 screws off (2 on bottom, 1 on top) and tilt the top of it forward so you can unplug the connectors. Wiggle the cluster out of the dash and put that ugly MoFo on eBay!:domo:
HOW TO REMOVE PINS FROM CONNECTOR​
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/dcf2362e-2fdb-493d-84fd-990a014958b4.htm





Before it was installed, after it got cleaned up really nice

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Got it installed finally...here's the finished product

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This is going to be a long read of some tips and tricks and issues I had that might come in handy for anybody doing this in the future...


1. The Wiring
Once I figured out the trick, I had the green cluster de-pinned in 5 minutes, not exaggerating one bit. I know it's supposed to be easy to figure it out, but to someone like me who's never done this type of thing before, it was tricky to figure out. Just trying to help all the newbs out ;)

The pin-swapping: Only thing I noticed that was a bit convuluded was on DirtySamurai's wiring guide (Thread link HERE), the white-red wire that goes into the green connector listed both as going into the same pin slot. From looking at the diagram , I went with the white-red wire from the blue cluster and moved it over to the green one. Just FYI. Also, the red-white wire from the green cluster was the only wire I didn't use. . Like it's been said before, the only wire needing to be extended was the Yellow-Black wire being taken from the green connector to the blue connector. I just cut, spliced using butt connectors, and taped over the connectors just to be safe. The only wire I needed that was listed that I didn't have was the green-black wire in the blue connector. Everything works fine so I'm going to assume it's either DRL or Side SRS. Both of which my car doesn't have.


How I removed the pins (Complete idiot's guide :))

I used a paperclip, about maybe 2 millimeters in diameter, to get the pins out. I used my Dremel and grinding stone to sharpen the end as to slide in easier and to decrease diameter a bit. I also put an upwards bend on the sharpened end to make it easier to wedge in there. First visual aid:
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This is the way you get the pins out. Quick note - Looking back on it I suppose you could go in the bottom hole if you really wanted to, but going in from the top helps you you avoid the tab at the end of the pin and also sets up a good angle to help unlock. This is the way I did it, and I can definitely vouch for it.


For each top and bottom row, there are two holes for each pin. You want to go in from the top hole, and angle down towards the bottom hole. This is where the upward bend on the paperclip comes in handy. If you angle too soon, you'll hit a little tab on the floor of the pin. It takes a bit of time to get where to wedge it in, play around with it. Optimally, this is the angle you want to get on it:

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Next step: Once you find the spot, you'll feel it get tougher to slide in, and then it'll stop (You've just hit the spot where the wire is crimped at on the connector... It's a good thing!) While holding the paperclip in place, give the wire a little tug. It should move out a little bit. Now remove the paperclip, and it should slide out no problem. I found if you try to leave the paperclip in, you run a higher chance of taking the wire out instead of the actual pin (Found out the hard way :()The only wires that didn't slide out easily were the ones I had screwed with the last time I tried to do this.

2. Cluster issues

So anyways, on to the issues. I had noticed when I got it that the gas/temp needles were out of place, as if they had did a full rotation. I had rotated them by hand to where I thought they should be, but when I turned the car on the temp needle went flying into the gas needle and got stuck. So I took it out and played with it a bit, rotating it Clockwise and Counterclockwise....When I rotated it CW, it went to the starting point fine. Rotating CCW, it was stopped from rotating any further right at operating temp. After taking the cover off and playing with the needles around 5 times, I finally decided to move the Temp needle CCW to the starting point. I had to go against the little motor in there. It clicked while I was doing it, but I did it quite carefully, not wanting to break anything. Started the car up and let it idle...and to my surprised, worked like a charm. Ended up having to turn the gas needle CW to the starting point as well. Both are working fine now, so if anybody gets a cluster and notices this problem, there's your solution


And here are the pin diagrams that I have, for reference.

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Here's an alternate version...

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All you have to do is swap the wires from pin location to location, and in a couple cases from green connector to blue connector. IIRC you have to extend 1 wire. Also, if you have left over wires, don't freak out. Just double check everything is right...and if it's not needed, then just cap it and don't worry about it.
 
#8 ·
Finally got my gauges installed last night. Great DIY...easy to follow :tup:

Question: I noticed that my airbag light is on now. Would this have anything to do with the gauges coming from an '04 LX w/o side airbags and going into a '02 EX w/ side airbags? :dunno: And is there a way I can get it to turn off?
 
#14 ·
For all the noobs (again):

If you are swapping 01-02 cluster to another 01-02 cluster, they are a direct plug and play.

If you are swapping your 01-02 cluster with an 03-05 cluster, you need to rewire the pins as per page 1 of this thread.

My Car: 2001 Honda Civic EX Coupe w/SRS
Old Cluster: 01' EX w/SRS
New Cluster: 04 EX w/SRS

After install: Following the excel spreadsheet supplied here and on H-T, the information and directions given are very EASY to follow. Now, the only wire I had left over that I capped off was the WHITE/RED wire from the blue connector. And if you guys own an EX and are following the chart, there is no GREEN/BLK wire.

What made the install easy for me was that I printed out the excel spreadsheet, pulled out one pin at a time, and placed it where it needed to go, one connector at a time. Then on the sheet I printed, I put a big X in the box, so that way I knew I did that one already (in case all those colors confuse you).

This DIY should take you no more than 30-40mins tops (making sure u double check everything). I'll snap some pics tomorrow and post them up. Great DIY! :tup:
 
#16 · (Edited)
Gonna be doing this hopefully this weekend or if not, one day next week. Nice DIY btw. Looks very thorough. I'll post pics once complete.

Edit: Quick question that i just thought about. I've done the auto to manual swap and im still running the auto dash harness. I'm most likely going to have extra wires left over, but is there any wires i could possibly be missing? If anyone can post up the connector chart for a 02 LX Auto would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
#17 ·
I just finished this project last night and the DIY was fantastic. Worked on the first try, which almost never happens. There is only one problem that I saw. I have an 01 lx coupe and swapped in a 04 ex sdn cluster. My ABS light is on now. I dont have ABS. Can I rewire a a pin in the new cluster to make this go off? Or do I have to put the prolong sticker over it?
 
#18 ·
I wired mine up yesterday as well. Ended up haveing to do it twice cause i'm stupid and didn't see there was numbers on the connector and just guessed on which one was one lol. But second time it worked perfect.

Also wondering if theres anyway to bypass the abs light. It really doesn't bother me cause i have a check engine light on as well.
 
#19 ·
I just got done getting rid of the ABS light on the cluster. I took it apart, where the glass and the front ring plate are and pulled the thin black plastic cover over. You dont need to take off the needles, just pull it back enough to locate the spot where the ABS light is. I broke the light out with a small flat head screwdriver. If you dont want to do that then fold a piece of black electrical tape into a small square for the size of the hole and let the black cover hold it in place. If you do that, make sure you test it so there isnt any visible light showing before you put it back together. Hopefully this will help anyone who has the same problem I did with the ABS light on the 03-05 gauge cluster.